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Has anybody's brains imploded with the latest?! My brain oozed out of my ears for days.
At the end of the Aizen arc (what else to call it?), we didn't see Isshin again. And even when this new arc started, he seemed to be sly and suspicious. What was he up to and with Urahara no less. I never imagined that he was the one coming to save Ichigo.
I had my suspicions about Ginjo. It seemed too convenient that he knew things and seemed to be in the right place at the right time. I think we'll find out in the next volume exactly why he's being so dastardly. It can't be for the lame reason he gave Ichigo at first.
I've been fairly dissapointed
I've been fairly dissapointed by the latest chapters of bleach. I used to be a huge fan. The only thing keeping me from quitting the series is that [SPOILER] Tite Kubo said in an interview that Unohana would fight in the next arc. I'm drooling already!!
Trolling
This arc was just a big TROLL by kubo. Im really looking forward to the next arc. I hate everything and anything fullbring. Kubo dont troll us with the next arc please.
New flash
Just a little note for you. Trolling is NOT defined as "anything you didn't personally like".
I'd still call what Kubo did
I'd still call what Kubo did trolling. Let me reenact a bit of this arc
Chad and Orihime: We're finally going to be useful this arc. We won't be useless again
Chad trains in the hyperbolic time chamber
Next time we see them, both have become brainwashed by Tsukishima and don't even react when he says he manipulated their past while they're in the same room
Tsukishima mind crushes Chad and Orihime
They have done less than ever this arc
THat's definitely trolling
sequence of events.
Except they're determined not to be useless AFTER the damage that caused said uselessness was already done. Their determination doesn't do much when they're already been added as friends by ol' Facebook.
And Orihime at least has been far from useless. She's actually got a higher usefulness count than Rukia if you don't count exposition as an actual action. Let me recount most of Orihime's role:
One-shot a Hollow while figuring out how to use her powers
Save everybody from the Kotostu on the way into the Soul Society, thereby making Rukia's rescue possible
Healed Jidanbo, earning the team the support of the Rukongai inhabitants
Beat up Soul Reapers and stole their Shihakusho
Recruited Kenpachi Freaking Zaraki
Put Ichigo, the amazing man with a half-severed spinal column, back together
Held off Yammy until Ichigo could arrive
Put Rukia's guts back in after Grimmjow decided to see how squishy they were
Put an end to the second Karakura Invasion, which was kind of necessary given how badly a big chunk Soul Reaper Advance Forces was getting owned.
Healed Ichigo, when even Hachi couldn't because of Spirit Energy from Grimmjow being tied up in the wounds
Healed Ichgo again after Ulquiorra killed him the first time.
Provided a focal point that let Ichigo return after being killed by Ulquiorra a second time.
Put Uryu's arm back on.
yeah, I completely agree. She's been nothing but completely useless the entire time and only a monkey would say otherwise.
Healer in a box and defeating
Healer in a box and defeating fodder are barely useful. Has she ever once defeated any major villains? Because I can't remember. And the fact that they were already under the brainwashing might be acceptable except the audience didn't know the details (Nor in my opinion, did Kubo since he kept adding and adding things to Tsukishima's powers in ways that made no sense. Because there is no good explanation as to why it took hours to days to affect CHad and Orihime, but a matter of seconds to affect Byakuya)
How Book of the End works
The reason that Chad and Orihime weren't affected until later was because the revision process is active. Tsukishima has to consciously alter the past. He didn't yet because the plan required that Ichigo finish his Fullbring before he made his actual move. With Byakuya, he was in combat at the same time, so he made the revision immediately, as it would have been kind of stupid to wait. As far as "revisions" made to Book of the End's power, first, we learn that the "cut through anything" was pretty much a lie. All we'd seen of it was a cut that did nothing visible, and a cut through a normal door. By the time that we see the past-manipulation, we're trying to figure out what it does and get the deduction from all that's visible. Deducing that it can affect objects too is a simple, yet broken extension, and just because it couldn't be deduced from what we saw before doesn't mean that it made no sense. Its power is simple. Everything has a "history". Cut something, you can change that history. Cut it again and you undo the changes. Deactivate history-manipulation to just cut.
As for your definition of "useless", if you're dubbed "useless" when the you're the main reason that half of the cast isn't dead several times over, I'd hate to see what your criteria for "useful" is.
If he could alter people
If he could alter people immediately, there was no reason he shouldn't do so to Orihime and Chad. ALl he had to do was tell them to act like they didn't know him if he didn't want the plan spoiled. Not to mention he manipulates them later on without slashing them again, so that idea doesn't work. Furthermore the explanation breaks down when he said he'd been to a virtual space that he been created minutes ago many times in the past and had set up a trap in the past. Or when he can insert himself into the past of Byakuya, despite the fact that Byakuya is many times older than him.
the problem with that argument
Well, if they act like Tsukishima's a friend on accident, and face it, they suck at acting and lying which has been established long ago, they spoil the plan whether they intentionally act one way or not. If you remember how bad they are at lying, you should know that they're easier to see through than unfrosted glass. Stopping them from doing that would have required an extensive change that Ichigo would have noticed, ruining the point of making sure that Ichigo's Fullbring was completed so that it could be stolen.
And for the trap in the past gambit, remember the "altering the history" thing. He messed up the history in the Game Data so that it would register. Kind of like altering the programming so that the computer got a "patch" that put something in. Yeah, the chat room was created a short time ago, but that's how the history changing works. Open the book, write something new in. In this case, it's aking to opening the book and writing something in the blank pages before it actually starts, or on the inside cover. In addition, remember that Fullbring is essentially messing around with physical objects at particular level. He makes is change and the object physically changes in order to accomoadate his order. In this case, he was specifically altering the matter already altered by Yukio.
As for inserting himself in Byakuya's past, yeah, that normally goes against rational logic. Byakyua could normally reason his way out of a lie like that. The problem is that all of his memories corroborate with the story, and he can't remember who was really in that position.
Except his power WASN"T
Except his power WASN"T rewriting the past in the way you describe. It was inserting himself into someone else's past. You can't insert yourself into the pages before a book begins because there ARE NO PAGES at that point. And really, you can't make an arguement like that based purely on that type of specualation. There was never any suggestion that Tsukishima was creating a patch in the game or anything like that. In fact he said he'd BEEN THERE before which would imply that what you said couldn't be true
Not to mention his power is
Not to mention his power is centered around inserting himself into other people's pasts, and yet somehow when he stabbed Ginjou this made Ginjo become a good guy and even forget that he was a substitute shinigami, even though that should be impossible given the defined boundaries. Then again, when Fullbring powers in general have little to do with the explanation given, I suppose that's no surprise
further issue
his power is based off inserting himself into and ALTERING other peoples' pasts. Making himself out to be a horrible menace to the Fullbringers and changing their pasts so that they were enemies from the start is well within the bounds of his power. In addition, there's still a Substitue Soul Reaper in the past. That memory was just divorced from the actual identity of who it was, so that the Reaper was dead, killed by Tsukishima. The memory was still there, just put into another form.
Again, Tsukishima's power was
Again, Tsukishima's power was stated time and again to be past insertion, not alteration in general. Now, if you can find ONE passage that proves me wrong on this, I'll give you some credit. Tsukishima should not be able to alter Ginjo's memory in any way that is not directly tied to himself. Ginjo being a substitute Shinigami is not tied to who Tsukishima is or how he interacted with Ginjo, so that explanation really doesn't cut it
passage and power based off what we heard, saw, and my headache.
I just looked up the first time Tsukishima actually explained anything about his power. Chapter 456 Page 10-11. His exact words are "It makes me able to actually insert myself into peoples' pasts in any way I wish." The one I originally read said something a bit different, but that was a different scanlator, so I'm just chalking that part up to a translation error.
Then again, even is this part is a bit of speculation, he very well could have just omitted the part about inserting himself into the past of objects, it wouldn't be the first time a character wasn't completely honest about their power. Any alterations that he made would have been made personally by having [past]Tsukishima actually make the change himself.
In the case of that trap, there are a couple of ways that could have been set. First, he made it so that Yukio had created that particular chat room for him before, then "saved" the data for it and called it back up for him when giving every pair their arena. Second, he could have made it so that he took advantage of the fact that Fullbring operates by altering matter at the subatomic level, and made it so that the particular bit of matter that composed that ground had been one chunk of ground, then booby-trapped before Yukio made the chat room. Both seem a little outlandish, but this is the same guy who went to great lengths essentially just to mess with Ichigo before the actual plan went into effect.
As for altering Ginjo's memory, most likely Tsukishima inserted himself into GInjo's past order to replace the role of Ginjo himself, then altered his own involvement in the X-Cution backstory so that rather than being a substitue soul reaper, he gathered all the Fullbringers, then killed that Soul Reaper and the "ones that managed to transfer their powers." Ginjo is then left with no memory prior to the founding of X-Cution because Tsukishima now occupies that place in his past, giving Tsukishima free reign to give him any backstory that he felt like telling him and be completely believed prior to the "betrayal". That would fall under the category of "self-insertion in any way he wants".
The real issue with a "past-insertion" power is that it's close to time travel without actually being time travel and trying to pin down exactly how it functions is a good source for a headache. The simplified version would be "Tsukishima cuts something. He inserts himself into the history of that object, either as a new influence or replaces an old one. "memory" and "history" change as far as the affected is concerned. If it's an object, he can make it so that he changed the form of that matter in the past, which is easy enough for anyone with Fullbring. If that object is already part of a Fullbring and thus altered, then he makes it so that he altered that mass first." Time flows from past to present and any changes are reflected. Tsukishima remembers any changes he made as well as the way things originally were." That's the best description I can come up with based off the established rules given for Fullbring, what Tsukishima said, and what he actually did. Maybe this clears things up a little, maybe not. I just don't think that I'll be thinking too hard about time travel for anything that isn't Chrono Trigger, The 3rd Birthday, Kingdom Hearts II, or Dragon Ball for a while." Dragon Ball made the messing around with time a lot easier by providing some convenient diagrams, I really wish we had some here.
The entire arc was an awful
The entire arc was an awful rip off of the chapter black arc in YuYuHakusho. I hated the whole arrancar arc, I didn't think Kubo could go any lower than that. Then he released the Fullbringer arc and proved me wrong
your alleged hate
It sounds like you kept reading for an awful long time despite professing to hate Bleach so much...
I read it because I find it
I read it because I find it amusing to read a manga that does so many things bad. That, and it helps me make fun of it on other forums.
your "reason"
Not gonna lie, that's one of the flimsiest justifications for reading it I've ever heard. If anything, it's kind of a paper-thin excuse.
I don't care what you think.
I don't care what you think. I find amusement out of reading this trainwreck of a series, even if it isn't the type the author ever intended. I'm allowed an opinion on Bleach, and I like my opinions to be informed
Guys don't hate...
We all kno that his arc was just a way for Ichigo to get his povers back... Luckily, (for those of you who don't know) there's about one or two volumes left in the arc. On an unrelated note, since leach is on hiatus till next week (or week after next cant remember) what is SJ going to do? They can't release a chapter that doesn't exist! XD
That;'s a pretty pathetic
That;'s a pretty pathetic excuse when you consider the arc was a year long and most of it had no impact on how Ichigo actually got his powers back. In fact, given the method, I really don't get why it took so long for Urahara to do it in the first place. And an arc that was caused by a complete lack of any communication skills is pretty frustrating as well
Wow. I never expected such
Wow. I never expected such vitriol from people who hate Bleach. At the end of the day, you're reading Bleach and we all know what that means. ^_^
volumes 52 and 53
I thought these volumes were epic. I really liked what the fullbring arc has shown so far. The art was good, and the story telling got very interesting and intriguing by the time of volume 53.
Same here
Despite what people say about this arc i enjoyed it and Tsukishima was my favorite fullbringer
i'm only on book 2! [spoiler
i'm only on book 2! [spoiler ] chapter 14 school daze is inappropriate